'People do not value a thing if they do not pay for it.'
I listened to this with a strange feeling. On the one hand I was pleased with everything that G. said. I was attracted by the absence of any element of sentimentality, of conventional talk about 'altruism,' of words about 'working for the good of humanity' and so forth. On the other hand I was surprised at G.'s apparent desire to
If there was anything I did not agree with it was simply that G. would be able to collect enough money in the way he described. I realized that none of those pupils whom I had seen would be able to pay a thousand roubles a year. If he had really found in the East visible and tangible traces of hidden knowledge and was continuing investigations in this direction, then it was clear that this work needed funds, like any other scientific enterprise, like an expedition into some unknown part of the world, the excavation of an ancient city, or an investigation requiring elaborate and numerous physical or chemical experiments. It was quite unnecessary to convince me of this. On the contrary, the thought was already in my mind that if G. gave me the possibility of a closer acquaintance with his activities, I should probably be able to find the funds necessary for him to place his work on a proper footing and also bring him more prepared people. But, of course, I still had only a very vague idea in what this work might consist.
Without saying it plainly, G. gave me to understand that he would accept me as one of his pupils if I expressed the wish. I told him that the chief obstacle on my side was that, at the moment, I could not stay in Moscow because I had made an arrangement with a publisher in Petersburg and was preparing several books for publication. G. told me that he sometimes went to Petersburg and he promised to come there soon and let me know of his arrival.
'But if I Joined your group,' I said to G., 'I should be faced with a very difficult problem. I do not know whether you exact a promise from your pupils to keep secret what they learn from you, but I could give no such promise. There have been two occasions in my life when I had the possibility of joining groups engaged in work which appears to be similar to yours, at any rate by description, and which interested me very much at the time. But in both cases to join would have meant consenting or promising to keep secret everything that I might learn there. And I refused in both cases, because, before everything else, I am a writer, and I desire to be absolutely free and to decide for myself what I shall write and what I shall not write. If I promise to keep secret something I am told, it would be very difficult afterwards to separate what had been told me from what came to my own mind either in connection with it or even with no connection. For instance, I know very little about your ideas yet, but I do know that when we begin to talk we shall very soon come to questions of time and space, of higher dimensions, and so on. These are questions on which I have already been working for many
years. I have no doubt whatever that they roust occupy a large place in your system.' G. nodded. 'Well, you see, if we were now to talk under a pledge of secrecy, then, after the first conversation I should not know what I could write and what I could not write.'
'But what are your own ideas on the subject?' said G. 'One must not talk too much. There are things which are said only for disciples.'
'I could accept such a condition only temporarily,' I said. 'Of course it would be ludicrous if I began at once to write about what I learn from you. But if, in principle, you do not wish to make a secret of your ideas and care only that they should not be transmitted in a distorted form, then I could accept such a condition and wait until I had a better understanding of your teaching. I once came across a group of people who were engaged in various scientific experiments on a very wide scale. They made no secret of their work. But they made it a condition that no one would have the right to speak of or describe any experiment unless he was able to carry it out himself. Until he was able to repeat the experiment himself he had to keep silent.'
'There could be no better formulation,' said G., 'and if you will keep such a rule this question will never arise between us.'
'Are there any conditions for joining your group?' I asked. 'And is a man who joins it tied to it and to you? In other words, I want to know if he is free to go and leave your work, or does he take definite obligations upon himself? And how do you act towards him if he does not carry out his obligations?'
'There are no conditions of any kind,' said G., 'and there cannot be any. Our starting point is that man does not know himself, that he is
'If he likes he can study. He will have to study for a long time, and work a great deal on himself. When he has learned enough, then it is a different matter. He will see for himself whether he likes our work or not. If he wishes he can work with us; if not he may go away. Up to that moment he is free. If he stays after that he will be able to decide or make arrangements for the future.
'For instance, take one point. A situation may arise, not, of course, in the beginning but later on, when a man has to preserve secrecy, even if only for a time, about something he has learned. But can a man who does not know himself promise to keep a secret? Of course he can promise to do so, but can he keep his promise? For he is not one, there are many different people in him.
'Sometimes we make temporary conditions with people
I remember that in one of my talks with G., during this first week of my acquaintance with him, I spoke of my intention of going again to the East.
'Is it worth thinking about it? And can I find what I want there?' I asked
G.
'It is good to go for a rest, for a holiday,' said G., 'but it is not worth while going there for what you want. All that can be found here.'
I understood that he was speaking of work with him.
'But do not schools which are on the spot, so to speak, in the midst of all the traditions, offer certain advantages?' I asked.
In answering this question G. told me several things which I did not understand till later.
'Even if you found schools you would find only 'philosophical' schools,' he said. 'In India there are only 'philosophical' schools. It was divided up in that way long ago; in India there was 'philosophy,' in Egypt 'theory,' and in present-day Persia, Mesopotamia, and Turkestan—'practice.''
'And does it remain the same now?' I asked.
'In part even now,' he said. 'But you do not clearly understand what I mean by 'philosophy,' 'theory,' and 'practice.' These words must be understood in a different way, not in the way they are usually understood.
'But speaking of schools, there are only
'But how did you study?'
'I was not alone. There were all kinds of specialists among us. Everyone
studied on the lines of his particular subject. Afterwards, when we forgathered, we put together everything we had found.'
'And where are your companions now?'