Repeat: When I was at St. Hill Security Checks were used and that is the time in question. I have not been back to St. Hill since 1968. I may add that the fact that something has been discontinued is no excuse for it ever having existed in the first place.
2) Item: Drastic Penalties
'Fact': The most drastic penalty is excommunication - the right of any church or group. Heavier penalties such as imprisonment or the taking of life remain the prerogative of governments.
FACT: I refer to the penalties invoked in 1968 period of the article remember? I remember Polly Stathis and the Fair Game order. The fact that Polly Stathis has been rehabilitated and that Fair Game orders are no longer issued does not constitute an inaccuracy.
3) Item: 10 000 dollars
'Fact': If you are dissatidfied with the service you can get your money back.
FACT: Did I say you couldn't?
4) Item: Show materials to qualified workers
'Fact': Mr. Burroughs must well know that there are no qualified workers in this field. The implanting of 'positive', 'socially accteptable' commands in the 'socially unacceptable' mental patient whilst he is having his brain sliced, probed or shocked is now a reality. Surely these are not his 'experts'?
FACT: Surely not, Mr. Sorrell. And why should you assume that they are? Psychiatrists are the ENEMY. 'Mr. Burroughs has criticized us. Therfore he must be a friend of psychiatrists?' I recall that Mrs. Hubbard in her answer to my Mayfair article was on and on about psychiatry as if I were preparing to defend these dubious practicioners with my last breath. I said at that time: 'In my opinion 90 percent of those engaged in the so called profession of psychiatry schould be broken down to veterinarians.' Does it seem likely that I would call these as my experts?
The experts I would call are those working with polygraphs, brain waves, electric brain stimulation, bio feed- back and the feed-back between brain and computer. Experts who could determine precisely what brain waves accompany auditing on the E-Meter. What changes in heart beat, blood pressure, muscle relaxtion accompany auditing. Whether there are brain waves that are not picked up on the E-Meter.
Experts who could define the uses and limitations of this instrument: Dr. Grey Walter of the Neurological Foundation in Bristol.
Dr. Joe Kamiya who is working with bio feed-back at the Langley Porter Institute in San Francisco.
Dr. Barbara Brown, Chief of Experimental Physiology at the Veterans Administration Hospital in Sepulveda, Calif.; also working in bio feed-back.
Professor Delgado working with electric brain stimulation.
5) Item: Condition of Treason
'Fact': Mr. Burroughs fails to say that if he returned to St. Hill the order would be lifted immediately.
FACT: On this point both Mr. Sorrell and your reporter are in error. I was not placed in a condition of treason because of the Mayfair article. The condition was imposed prior to the article, was then lifted and not so far as I know reimposed after the article. When I have made an error I do not mind a dmitting it. I am an individual, not an organization.
6) Item: To his financial advantage
'Fact': The Church fo Scientology is a non profit organization. L. Ron Hubbard does not make any money from it.
FACT: I have listed some of the assets of this church. Mr. Hubbard has boats, villas, manors at his disposal. I submit that he profits from this non profit organization. If he is not a rich man, he certainly lives like one.
7) Item: Wog
'Fact': A term not used by the Church. After all, all Scientologists were once non-Scientologists. I could see it being used to describe a person like Mr. Burroughs whose unwillingness to be honest has led him to spy on a Church.
FACT: I have heard Mr. Hubbard use the term Wog on taped lectures. I have heard him define the term as a 'Worthy Oriental Gentleman'. I have seen bulletins that speak of the Wog World and Wog Law. As is well known, the term Wog has come to mean Non White. Mr. Sorrell could see it being used to describe a person like Mr. Burroughs? Thank you for that, Mr. Sorrell. I should be glad to change a color that has disgraced itself from the Conquistadores to Hiroshima. To spy on a church? I am not religious, Mr. Sorrell. I find it impossible to communicate with any one that is religious. Whether the religion be Communism Catholicism, or Scientology. They have all the answers. Facts are irrelevant. When I found out that Scientology is a religion that has nothing to do with scientific research on a subject that interests me, I withdrew.
8) Item: Getting the clearing course out to millions
'Fact': It would work about as well as giving someone an electric carving knife and then telling them...(watch your grammar, Mr. Sorrell) they are a fully qualified surgeon.
FACT: Except in the event of a power failure, I presume? In any case I fail to see the analogy.
9) Item: The whole subject has been made virtually inaccessible.
'Fact'; Public lectures are given daily around the world. There are some 40 books and 150 taped lectures you can buy - at the bookstore, or by post. The courses are open to anyone not there for criminal purposes.
FACT: I'll give you that one. It was an overstatement on my part.
10) Item: Security Checks
'Fact': Security checks have not been used since 1968.
FACT: We have already batted that around. The article refers to my experience of St. Hill in 1968.
Security Checks were used at that time.
