Naval career.In particular, we need to make sure that we're not keeping people too far from home for too much time doing temporary kinds of assignments. We need to make sure that we don't have backlogs in aircraft and equipment depot maintenance, so that our crews have enough airplanes to fly during turnarounds and workups. We also have to pay attention to the matter of funding enough flying hours to keep our people sharp. Let's face it, junior officers [JOs] never get enough flight hours. I know that I didn't as a young aviator, and I don't know anyone who did. We've still got some work to do in that area.These 'soft' community areas are not just limited to naval aviation. We've got some year groups in the submarine community that we're watching carefully, as well as some in the surface warfare professionals. Overall, though, we're OK. On the enlisted side the numbers are excellent, and most significantly, the high quality of personnel is there.These days, we're having to work very hard to get that quality, and it's a real challenge. The goal of our recruiting is to have ninety-five-percent high school graduates, with sixty-five percent of those recruits in the top mental group in their classes. When we achieve that, it's good for the fleet, and we're committed to achieving that.However, the competition for that part of the labor market is really intense out there. Given the pressures of a healthy economy, I think that it's going to be more and more of a challenge. The really good young men and women out there-the ones who are really smart and talented-everybody wants them. Frankly, while I can offer them a lot, there are other folks who can offer them more of things like money. Still, there are wonderful and patriotic young folks who take up the challenge, and we work hard to find them and keep them in the fleet.Trust me when I say that the recruiting challenges will not go away. Remember, back in the Cold War we had to bring around 100,000 new recruits a year into the fleet to fill our needs. Today, even in a time of relative peace, we still need between 45,000 and fifty thousand new bsailors every year to keep our force healthy and running.

Tom Clancy: You just mentioned the end of the Cold War. Can you tell us something about the challenges that you and the fleet have faced in light of the end of the East/West conflict?

Admiral Johnson: I think that one of the biggest challenges that the Navy has is to make sure that our nation still has an appreciation for the value of the sea services, especially within the citizenry and the Congress. I think we need to educate the public to understand that while we have a great Navy now, it takes a lot of effort and money to keep it that way. Another challenge the Navy has been faced with in the last few years has been overcoming the public perceptions left by Tailhook. I believe that we've made great strides since then.

Tom Clancy: Do you feel that the challenges that the Navy had to face as a result of Tailhook and other incidents have helped the sea services deal better with the issues of women in the force?

Admiral Johnson: Yes, I do. Since we were the first of the services forced to confront the gender-related issues that the other military departments face right now, I hope and truly believe that we have learned from those hard experiences and are better for them. We needed to change the ways that we were doing business in many respects, and I think that we have, and I'm proud of that. I believe that we have a much better and stronger force today than we did before Tailhook.

Tom Clancy: Let's talk a little more about the roles and missions that the Navy is undertaking in the post-Cold War world. For example, with the decline of the Russian fleet, what have you got the submarine force doing?

Admiral Johnson: We actually have some exciting things coming up for the submarine force. The New Attack Submarine [NSSN] program is underway, and Seawolf [SSN-21] has been commissioned. As far as the submarine mission is concerned, it is much more diverse than during the Cold War. Their main mission is still undersea warfare and antisubmarine warfare [ASW]. Today that mission is less predictable than it was during the Cold War, but challenging nonetheless.The 'big water' ASW mission is still a part of our lives, but these days littoral [inshore] ASW is an even bigger and emerging piece of that mission. I might add that inshore operations bring with them a whole new set of challenges. Our submarine force is today involved in strike warfare, reconnaissance, special operations, and lots of other things. The community is being reshaped to reflect all of these new missions, and remains a valuable and viable part of the fleet. And even though today's Russian submarine force is not the Soviet fleet of the Cold War era, I feel strongly that we must maintain sufficient capability to deal with it. With all of that factored in, our force of submarines is still going to shrink. We have around seventy SSNs today, and we'll probably drop to around fifty-five in the next few years.

Tom Clancy: The doctrinal move of the sea services to specialize on the littoral regions has been going on for some time now and the force seems to have adapted well. Can you please tell us your views on how the transition from a 'blue water' Navy to an inshore focus has gone?

Admiral Johnson: The transition has gone extremely well, though the Navy has always concentrated on that mission to some degree. You have to remember that the majority of the world's capitals and much of its population reside close to the shores of the world's oceans. Because of that, the Navy has always been tasked for littoral warfare. We kept the littoral missions at the forefront of our planning and preparation throughout this century.During the Cold War years that mission was somewhat overshadowed by open ocean missions. With the demise of the Soviet Union, what we call' blue water' missions have declined in importance somewhat. Overall, I think we're ideally tasked to meet the challenges of the new century with the force that we have today and the force that we're building for tomorrow. This includes systems like the land attack destroyer variant of the SC-21 escort design that we're currently designing.

Tom Clancy: So does this mean that the mission of the U.S. Navy in the 21 st century is going to be like that of the Royal Navy in the 19th century? In other words, showing the flag, keeping the peace, and letting the locals know that we're there?

Admiral Johnson: There's certainly a lot of that in our future plans. I think that the way that we would describe our mission in the Navy is that we plan to shape the environment or battle space. We will do that through forward presence. I might also add that we will do that while carrying the full spectrum of weapons, sensors, and other tools that we need, so that the national leadership does not have to wait for the action to be joined. That is critical because, as I like to say, there is no substitute for being there.The Navy has to be there and ready to trigger whatever kind of response might be required by a rapidly developing situation. That response might be little, it might be big. In one context we're the enabling force for follow-on units, and in another we're the striking power all by ourselves for whatever might be going on in a particular area. Our mission is always situational. There are times when we'll do port visits and paint schoolhouses. That's a part of our job. But we are also ready to kick somebody's ass if that's required. So to that degree, your Royal Navy analogy is quite valid.

Tom Clancy: One major change in how the military is doing business today compared to the past is that, unlike the CNOs of just a decade ago, you don't actually command ships and planes anymore. Under Goldwater-Nichols, the various branches of the military and their assets are combined into organization 'package' forces for regional commanders in chief [CinCs] to use as required by the National Command Authorities. Under the new system that came into effect in the late 1980's, the world has been divided into regions and warfare specialties, with a joint unified command and a commander in chief [CinC] assigned to each. The CinCs package forces into joint task forces [JTFs], which are the basic working unit of joint warfare. Could you tell us a little about how that process works?

Admiral Jay Johnson making a point during his interview with the author. JOHN D. GRESHAM

Admiral Johnson: As far as the Navy goes, I'm the 'organize, train, and equip guy.' I get the forces ready by making sure that the Navy is well staffed, that our personnel know what they're doing, and that the machinery to support them is of the right kind and in good working order. At the appropriate time, I turn over

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