epub:type="z3998:persona">Manders
I have chosen the designation “Captain” rather than “Chamberlain.” “Captain” looks less pretentious.
Mrs. Alving
Oh, yes; just as you think best.
Manders
And here you have the Bank Account of the capital lying at interest to cover the current expenses of the Orphanage.
Mrs. Alving
Thank you; but please keep it—it will be more convenient.
Manders
With pleasure. I think we will leave the money in the Bank for the present. The interest is certainly not what we could wish—four percent and six months’ notice of withdrawal. If a good mortgage could be found later on—of course it must be a first mortgage and an unimpeachable security—then we could consider the matter.
Mrs. Alving
Certainly, my dear Pastor Manders. You are the best judge in these things.
Manders
I will keep my eyes open at any rate.—But now there is one thing more which I have several times been intending to ask you.
Mrs. Alving
And what is that?
Manders
Shall the Orphanage buildings be insured or not?
Mrs. Alving
Of course they must be insured.
Manders
Well, wait a moment, Mrs. Alving. Let us look into the matter a little more closely.
Mrs. Alving
I have everything insured; buildings and movables and stock and crops.
Manders
Of course you have—on your own estate. And so have I—of course. But here, you see, it is quite another matter. The Orphanage is to be consecrated, as it were, to a higher purpose.
Mrs. Alving
Yes, but that’s no reason—
Manders
For my own part, I should certainly not see the smallest impropriety in guarding against all contingencies—
Mrs. Alving
No, I should think not.
Manders
But what is the general feeling in the neighbourhood? You, of course, know better than I.
Mrs. Alving
Well—the general feeling—
Manders
Is there any considerable number of people—really responsible people—who might be scandalised?
Mrs. Alving
What do you mean by “really responsible people”?
Manders
Well, I mean people in such independent and influential positions that one cannot help attaching some weight to their opinions.
Mrs. Alving
There are several people of that sort here, who would very likely be shocked if—
Manders
There, you see! In town we have many such people. Think of all my colleague’s adherents! People would be only too ready to interpret our action as a sign that neither you nor I had the right faith in a Higher Providence.
Mrs. Alving
But for your own part, my dear Pastor, you can at least tell yourself that—
Manders
Yes, I know—I know; my conscience would be quite easy, that is true enough. But nevertheless we should not escape grave misinterpretation; and that might very likely react unfavourably upon the Orphanage.
Mrs. Alving
Well, in that case—
Manders
Nor can I entirely lose sight of the difficult—I may even say painful—position in which I might perhaps be placed. In the leading circles of the town, people take a lively interest in this Orphanage. It is, of course, founded partly for the benefit of the town, as well; and it is to be hoped it will, to a considerable extent, result in lightening our Poor Rates. Now, as I have been your adviser, and have had the business arrangements in my hands, I cannot but fear that I may have to bear the brunt of fanaticism—
Mrs. Alving
Oh, you mustn’t run the risk of that.
Manders
To say nothing of the attacks that would assuredly be made upon me in certain papers and periodicals, which—
Mrs. Alving
Enough, my dear Pastor Manders. That consideration is quite decisive.
Manders
Then you do not wish the Orphanage to be insured?
Mrs. Alving
No. We will let it alone.
Manders
Leaning back in his chair. But if, now, a disaster were to happen? One can never tell—Should you be able to make good the damage?
Mrs. Alving
No; I tell you plainly I should do nothing of the kind.
Manders
Then I must tell you, Mrs. Alving—we are taking no small responsibility upon ourselves.
Mrs. Alving
Do you think we can do otherwise?
Manders
No, that is just the point; we really cannot do otherwise. We ought not to expose ourselves to misinterpretation; and we have no right whatever to give offence to the weaker brethren.
Mrs. Alving
You, as a clergyman, certainly should not.
Manders
I really think, too, we may trust that such an institution has fortune on its side; in fact, that it stands under a special providence.
Mrs. Alving
Let us hope so, Pastor Manders.
Manders
Then we will let it take its chance?
Mrs. Alving
Yes, certainly.
Manders
Very well. So be it. Makes a note. Then—no insurance.
Mrs. Alving
It’s odd that you should just happen to mention the matter today—
Manders
I have often thought of asking you about it—
Mrs. Alving
—for we very nearly had a fire down there yesterday.
Manders
You don’t say so!
Mrs. Alving
Oh, it was a trifling matter. A heap of shavings had caught fire in the carpenter’s workshop.
Manders
Where Engstrand works?
Mrs. Alving
Yes. They say he’s often very careless with matches.
Manders
He has so much on his mind, that man—so many things to fight against. Thank God, he is now striving to lead a decent life, I hear.
Mrs. Alving
Indeed! Who says so?
Manders
He himself assures me of it. And he is certainly a capital workman.
Mrs. Alving
Oh, yes; so long as he’s sober—
Manders
Ah, that melancholy weakness! But, he is often driven to it by his injured leg, he says. Last time he was in town I was really touched by him. He came and thanked me so warmly for having got him work here, so that he might be near Regina.
Mrs. Alving
He doesn’t see much of her.
Manders
Oh, yes; he has a talk with her every day. He told me so himself.
Mrs. Alving
Well, it may be so.
Manders
He feels so acutely that he needs someone to keep a firm hold on him when temptation comes. That is what I cannot help liking about Jacob Engstrand: he comes to you so helplessly, accusing himself and confessing his own weakness. The last time he was talking to me—Believe me, Mrs. Alving, supposing it were a real necessity for him to have Regina home again—
Mrs. Alving
Rising hastily. Regina!
Manders
—you must not set yourself against it.
Mrs. Alving
Indeed I shall set myself against it. And besides—Regina is to have a position in the Orphanage.
Manders
But, after
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