A.?Dr. Dornick is the fifty-first.
Q.?Oh, we have fifty-one then? Search your memory, Dr. Seldon. Perhaps there are fifty-two or fifty-three? Or perhaps even more?
A.?Dr. Dornick has not yet formally joined my organization. When he does, the membership will be fifty-one. It is now fifty, as I have said.
Q.?Not perhaps nearly a hundred thousand?
A.?Mathematicians? No.
Q.?I did not say mathematicians. Are there a hundred thousand in all capacities?
A.?In all capacities, your figure may be correct.
Q.?
A.?I believe you are counting women and children.
Q.?(raising his voice) Ninety-eight thousand five hundred and seventy-two individuals is the intent of my statement. There is no need to quibble.
A.?I accept the figures.
Q.?(referring to his notes) Let us drop that for the moment, then, and take up another matter which we have already discussed at some length. Would you repeat, Dr. Seldon, your thoughts concerning the future of Trantor?
A.?I have said, and I say again, that Trantor will lie in ruins within the next three centuries.
Q.?You do not consider your statement a disloyal one?
A.?No, sir. Scientific truth is beyond loyalty and disloyalty.
Q.?You are sure that your statement represents scientific truth?
A.?I am.
Q.?On what basis?
A.?On the basis of the mathematics of psychohistory.
Q.?Can you prove that this mathematics is valid?
A.?Only to another mathematician.
Q.?(with a smile) Your claim then is that your truth is of so esoteric a nature that it is beyond the understanding of a plain man. It seems to me that truth should be clearer than that, less mysterious, more open to the mind.
A.?It presents no difficulties to some minds. The physics of energy transfer, which we know as thermodynamics, has been clear and true through all the history of man since the mythical ages, yet there may be people present who would find it impossible to design a power engine. People of high intelligence, too. I doubt if the learned Commissioners—
At this point, one of the Commissioners leaned toward the Advocate. His words were not heard but the hissing of the voice carried a certain asperity. The Advocate flushed and interrupted Seldon.
Q.?We are not here to listen to speeches, Dr. Seldon. Let us assume that you have made your point. Let me suggest to you that your predictions of disaster might be intended to destroy public confidence in the Imperial Government for purposes of your own!
A.?That is not so.
Q.?Let me suggest that you intend to claim that a period of time preceding the so- called ruin of Trantor will be filled with unrest of various types.
A.?That is correct.
Q.?And that by the mere prediction thereof, you hope to bring it about, and to have then an army of a hundred thousand available.
A.?In the first place, that is not so. And if it were, investigation will show you that barely ten thousand are men of military age, and none of these has training in arms.
Q.?Are you acting as an agent for another?
A.?I am not in the pay of any man, Mr. Advocate.
Q.?You are entirely disinterested? You are serving science?
A.?I am.
Q.?Then let us see how. Can the future be changed, Dr. Seldon?
A.?Obviously. This courtroom may explode in the next few hours, or it may not. If it did, the future would undoubtedly be changed in some minor respects.
Q.?You quibble, Dr. Seldon. Can the overall history of the human race be changed?
A.?Yes.
Q.?Easily?
A.?No. With great difficulty.
Q.?Why?
A.?The psychohistoric trend of a planet-full of people contains a huge inertia. To be changed it must be met with something possessing a similar inertia. Either as many people must be concerned, or if the number of people be relatively small, enormous time for change must be allowed. Do you understand?
Q.?I think I do. Trantor need not be ruined, if a great many people decide to act so that it will not.
A.?That is right.
Q.?As many as a hundred thousand people?
A.?No, sir. That is far too few.
Q.?You are sure?
A.?Consider that Trantor has a population of over forty billions. Consider further that the trend leading to ruin does not belong to Trantor alone but to the Empire as a whole and the Empire contains nearly a quintillion human beings.
Q.?I see. Then perhaps a hundred thousand people can change the trend, if they and their descendants labor for three hundred years.
A.?I’m afraid not. Three hundred years is too short a time.
Q.?Ah! In that case, Dr. Seldon, we are left with this deduction to be made from your statements. You have gathered one hundred thousand people within the confines of your project. These are insufficient to change the history of Trantor within three hundred years. In other words, they cannot prevent the destruction of Trantor no matter what they do.
A.?You are unfortunately correct.
Q.?And on the other hand, your hundred thousand are intended for no illegal purpose.
A.?Exactly.
Q.?(slowly and with satisfaction) In that case, Dr. Seldon—Now attend, sir, most carefully, for we want a considered answer. What is the purpose of your hundred thousand?
The Advocate’s voice had grown strident. He had sprung his trap; backed Seldon into a corner; driven him astutely from any possibility of answering.
There was a rising buzz of conversation at that which swept the ranks of the peers in the audience and invaded even the row of Commissioners. They swayed toward one another in their scarlet and gold, only the Chief remaining uncorrupted.
Hari Seldon remained unmoved. He waited for the babble to evaporate.
A.?To minimize the effects of that destruction.
Q.?And exactly what do you mean by that?
A.?The explanation is simple. The coming destruction of Trantor is not an event in
