don’t usually get a crowd in there until about 2:15. But usually the lot’s full by 2:15, and they parked in back, almost to the back, right where we have the light shining over on the side, on her. And I went back to the car, and of course, asked them if they wanted a menu. She spoke up and said she wanted a bowl of chili and a cup of coffee. And I stood there, waiting for him to order, and I guess I wouldn’t have noticed him—I waited for him to order, and finally he said, “Just coffee.”
Q You said she ordered a bowl of chili?
A Uh huh.
Q Just chili, or chili and beans?
A Just chili and coffee.
Q Would there be some beans in the chili, though?
A Yes, always. That’s always served as chili and beans. We don’t serve straight chili.
Q What was her condition, at this time?
A She was a little drunker than she was the first time, but she was still very pleasant. She wasn’t nasty. Real pleasant to wait on, gay and laughing, and when I picked up the tray, she said something—I tried to remember what she said to me, or to him, but I can’t remember what she said, and who she was talking to, but she said something and laughed, and I smiled at her, and I couldn’t remember what she said.
Q What was the condition of her clothing, at this time?
A Her clothes were all right, except for the front of her dress. ’Course, the way the dress was made, I could see practically the whole breast, one side.
Q It wasn’t covered by a brassiere?
A No, I couldn’t see no brassiere. I could see something white, that I took for a slip, with a little white lace on it.
Q Could that have been her brassiere, pushed down?
A It could have been, but they don’t usually have lace on them.
Q Could you see her feet, at all?
A No, I couldn’t see her feet. I could have, if I had looked, but I didn’t. I have to reach quite a ways inside the car, to get the trays out, and put the inside trays in.
Q What impression did you get, at this time, regarding her appearance, as to what her activity had been, just prior to coming in, on this occasion?
A Oh, I don’t know. She didn’t look much different than she did the first time I saw her. I got a better look at her because I was on her side of the car.
Q Could it have been possible that, because of the appearance that you have just described her as being in, the clothing, that they could have just come from a petting party somewhere?
A They could have. It is possible.
Q She gave no indication, at this time, that she was upset or mad, or anything?
A No, she was very pleasant, very gay. She was laughing. The picture of her smiling, I remembered so well, because she laughed all the time.
Q He didn’t smile any?
A No, he seemed very bored with it. Except, I had to wait for a minute for him to pay me. The last time I waited on him, I waited again, so I went up and told him how much the bill was. I had to wait a few minutes, ’fore he had the money in his hand, and gave me a dollar bill. I gave him change, walked around to the other side of the car. The tip he left was on the tray.
Q How did he pay you, each time? Both times with a dollar bill?
A I don’t remember the first time, but I remember the last time.
Q Do you recall whether he took it out of his pocket, or out of a wallet?
A He had it in his hand, but it was a few minutes before he gave it to me, when I told him what the amount was.
Q Have you ever seen these persons before, either one of them?
A Not that I remember. I don’t remember ever seeing them, before.
Q Is there any doubt in your mind, since we have talked to you the first time, and showed you the article of clothing and the pictures that we have of this woman, that they belong to and are the same person that you waited on that night?
A There is no doubt of it.
Q If you saw this man again, would you be able to identify him?
A I am quite sure I would. I remember him, in my mind. There is nothing so outstanding about him that I could describe him, no features that would point him out in a crowd. But I know, in my mind, what he looks like.
Q Well, you said he had a thin face. Was it an extremely thin face?
A It was like Italian or Greek—a nose like that. And thin, real thin face.
Q Did you get any impression that he might have had false teeth, or not?
A No.
Q You know, sometimes, people that have false teeth— either in or out— their jaws kind of sag, around here. Did you get that impression?
A No, I didn’t.
Q Nothing other than the thinness?
A No.
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Q You have probably given this considerable thought, since we talked to you yesterday. Would you describe, if you can, the man’s clothing?
A It was light, that’s all I can remember. It was a jacket, or something with long sleeves, and it was light.
Q You are fairly certain it was light?
A Uh huh.
Q On the sport side, or would it be of the regular suit type?
A No, it wasn’t a suit. It was some kind of a jacket. I’d say it was a sport jacket.
Q You don’t know the color of his trousers?
A No.
Q Do you recall whether he had a shirt on, light or dark?
A He had a shirt on, but I don’t recall that—I don’t remember if it was light or dark.
Q Would you be able to recognize a car similar to this one?
A Oh, yeah.
Q In other words, you’d be able to tell a car, whether it was similar, or not similar?
A I could tell, I’d know. I probably couldn’t pick the car out, that particular car, but if I saw a car like it, I could tell.
Q You feel, at that time you’d know, when you saw it, whether the car you have in mind for this car would be two-toned or one-toned?
