present them with a better life should they do this or that.
In a survival group, where undecideds are mixed in with strongly Service-to-Others individuals, the undecided
should not be allowed to avoid the sick room or pathetic crying of hungry infants. Force them into this presence, as choices will be made. They will either rise to the occasion and give of their time, being the better for it
overall, or get hostile. If the individual gets hostile, they are making an orientation decision, that their comfort is more important than assisting the suffering of others. In this, the group can decide if they wish to have this
member as a continuing drain, given the obvious orientation and mindset. If they grow toward empthy and
assisting others in pain and need, then they may in fact make a rapid transit to Service-to-Others orientation, a
bonus.
In focusing on the future, making a clear distinction on how the life of the individual, as well as the group, will be better should this or that task be done, works well with the undecided. This is not unlike a parent motivating
an immature child. They get desert if they do the dishes, get to watch TV if they finish their homework, or get to
go to the park if they clean their room. In the case of a post pole shift survival group, the carrot can be more
variety in the diet, less hunger, warmer or dryer quarters, or a chance to sight see a bit and travel.
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ZetaTalk: Orientation Test
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Nancy and ourselves are often asked how one can determine if a stranger, or even a familiar friend, is Service-to-Other or Service-to-Self. Those who are mature entities can sense this in the other's spirit, the soul, instantly. Nancy is often criticized for being abrupt with a questioner, but she knows the reason for the questions, the approach, the offer, etc. It is not the actions of the other, nor the words, that give this clue. How does she know? She reaches out and senses the
intent of the soul, and was wise in this judgment prior to this incarnation, one of the reasons she was allowed to proceed on this Communications role she has assumed, with all our support.
Immature entities, those young, who are always in an undecided position, not fully Service-to-Other in their
orientation, are confused. They are confused because they have not yet sorted out their own motivations, goals, and agendas. They themselves are presenting a persona that is often false, to the world, and reassuring themselves that they have better motives than is true. They themselves have hidden agendas, will fail to deliver on promises, and are looking for others to support them when times get tight, though posturing otherwise. They do not know themselves, are not
being honest with themselves as this is discomfiting, so are hardly known to others by the face they present. If anyone questions this analysis, thinking themselves more mature, then the proof is simple. Go into a messy human situation,
into poverty, disease, helping the lowest of mankind as Mother Theresa did in India, living among them. One does not
have far to go for this, as misery is everywhere. If one balks, makes excuses, cannot stay for more than a moment, then you have your answer! Thus, for those who want a criteria to determine Service-to-Other or Service-to-Self, we say that first you must know yourself, as otherwise you simply cannot determine.
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Service-to-Other or Service-to-Self orientation cannot be determined strickly by action, by a rule of thumb, as it
depends. As we have explained, a gruff person can be self centered, or just angry because they see that harm will come
to others unaware. A demanding person might be demanding for the self, although presenting the demands as for
others, and this cannot be determined unless one looks to the result of the demand. Someone barking orders can be simply trying to be in control, or trying to organize the confused and disoriented. There is simply no way to describe
every situation, as they all vary. Service-to-Other or Service-to-Self motives are best determined by the result of the action, as a test of motive, and what the individual is willing to do. If an Service-to-Other individual is barking orders, saying that all should move to higher ground, leaving the food stocks, but insists on r emaining with the food stocks, then you have your answer. This individual intends to run off with them, most likely, else would suggest that all carry a portion to higher ground, the food stocks in many hands, not just in the hands of the individual barking orders.
If an Service-to-Other individual is caring for the dying, binding wounds and comforting the frightened, endlessly for
hours, and there is scaresly any benefit to the individual, then they are displaying true Service-to-Other behaviour. If they are insisting on being in a control room sitting on the medical supplies, and parsing out based on intellectual
decisions as to need, then this is suspect. Thus, one should look to the actions, the willingness of the individual to get down and dirty, to share decisions, to dispurse goods into many hands, to trust others, etc. This is not an easy answer for those who are not mature souls, who can recognize instantly the orientation of another.
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ZetaTalk: Sharing Supplies
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We have a POD outside with stored goods such as water, etc. When the time comes and people are
leaving the coasts for inland higher hills, and rampaging, pillaging, etc as they go, is it morally ethical to
protect goods with a gun with the possibility of having to shoot people because they are determined to
