Dialogues

at the festival? Ion O yes; and of all sorts of musical performers. Socrates And were you one of the competitors⁠—and did you succeed? Ion I obtained the first prize of all, Socrates. Socrates Well done; and I hope that you will do the same for us at the Panathenaea. Ion And I will, please heaven. Socrates I often envy the profession of a rhapsode, Ion; for you have always to wear fine clothes, and to look as beautiful as you can is a part of your art. Then, again, you are obliged to be continually in the company of many good poets; and especially of Homer, who is the best and most divine of them; and to understand him, and not merely learn his words by rote, is a thing greatly to be envied. And no man can be a rhapsode who does not understand the meaning of the poet. For the rhapsode ought to interpret the mind of the poet to his hearers, but how can he interpret him well unless he knows what he means? All this is greatly to be envied. Ion Very true, Socrates; interpretation has certainly been the most laborious part of my art; and I believe myself able to speak about Homer better than any man; and that neither Metrodorus of Lampsacus, nor Stesimbrotus of Thasos, nor Glaucon, nor anyone else who ever was, had as good ideas about Homer as I have, or as many. Socrates I am glad to hear you say so, Ion; I see that you will not refuse to acquaint me with them. Ion Certainly, Socrates; and you really ought to hear how exquisitely I render Homer. I think that the Homeridae should give me a golden crown. Socrates I shall take an opportunity of hearing your embellishments of him at some other time. But just now I should like to ask you a question: Does your art extend to Hesiod and Archilochus, or to Homer only? Ion To Homer only; he is in himself quite enough. Socrates Are there any things about which Homer and Hesiod agree? Ion Yes; in my opinion there are a good many. Socrates And can you interpret better what Homer says, or what Hesiod says, about these matters in which they agree? Ion I can interpret them equally well, Socrates, where they agree. Socrates But what about matters in which they do not agree?⁠—for example, about divination, of which both Homer and Hesiod have something to say⁠— Ion Very true: Socrates Would you or a good prophet be a better interpreter of what these two poets say about divination, not only when they agree, but when they disagree? Ion A prophet. Socrates And if you were a prophet, would you not be able to interpret them when they disagree as well as when they agree? Ion Clearly. Socrates But how did you come to have this skill about Homer only, and not about Hesiod or the other poets? Does not Homer speak of the same themes which all other poets handle? Is not war his great argument? and does he not speak of human society and of intercourse of men, good and bad, skilled and unskilled, and of the gods conversing with one another and with mankind, and about what happens in heaven and in the world below, and the generations of gods and heroes? Are not these the themes of which Homer sings? Ion Very true, Socrates. Socrates And do not the other poets sing of the same? Ion Yes, Socrates; but not in the same way as Homer. Socrates What, in a worse way? Ion Yes, in a far worse. Socrates And Homer in a better way? Ion He is incomparably better. Socrates And yet surely, my dear friend Ion, in a discussion about arithmetic, where many people are speaking, and one speaks better than the rest, there is somebody who can judge which of them is the good speaker? Ion Yes. Socrates And he who judges of the good will be the same as he who judges of the bad speakers? Ion The same. Socrates And he will be the arithmetician? Ion Yes. Socrates Well, and in discussions about the wholesomeness of food, when many persons are speaking, and one speaks better than the rest, will he who recognizes the better speaker be a different person from him who recognizes the worse, or the same? Ion Clearly the same. Socrates And who is he, and what is his name? Ion The physician. Socrates And speaking generally, in all discussions in which the subject is the same and many men are speaking, will not he who knows the good know the bad speaker also? For if he does not know the bad, neither will he know the good when the same topic is being discussed. Ion True. Socrates Is not the same person skilful in both? Ion Yes. Socrates And you say that Homer and the other poets, such as Hesiod and Archilochus, speak of the same things, although not in the same way; but the one speaks well and the other not so well? Ion Yes; and I am right in saying so. Socrates And if you knew the good speaker, you would also know the inferior speakers to be inferior? Ion That is true. Socrates Then, my dear friend, can I be mistaken in saying that Ion is equally skilled in Homer and in other poets, since he himself acknowledges that the same person will be a good judge of all those who speak of the same things; and that almost all poets do speak of the same things? Ion Why then, Socrates, do I lose attention and go to sleep and have absolutely no ideas of the least value, when anyone speaks of any other poet; but when Homer is mentioned, I wake up at once and am all attention and have plenty to say? Socrates The reason, my friend, is obvious. No one can fail to see that you speak of Homer without any art or knowledge. If you were able to speak of him by rules of art, you would have been able to speak of all other poets; for poetry is a whole. Ion Yes. Socrates And when anyone acquires any other art as a whole,